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Interview with Shirley Cohn
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription19597
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- [1926-2023] (interview content), interviewed 2023
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Village Museum fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 2 sound recordings (wav) (16 min., 57 sec.) (50 min., 36 sec.) + 1 sound recording (mp3) (50 min., 36 sec.)
- Scope and Content
- File consists of two recordings of oral history interviews with Shirley Cohn conducted by Burnaby Village Museum Registrar and Researcher, Eric Damer. The first interview was conducted on April 14, 2023 and the second interview was conducted on September 6, 2023. Summary of interview conducted on …
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Village Museum fonds
- Series
- Museum Oral Histories series
- Subseries
- Many Voices Project Interviews subseries
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 2 sound recordings (wav) (16 min., 57 sec.) (50 min., 36 sec.) + 1 sound recording (mp3) (50 min., 36 sec.)
- Material Details
- Interviewer: Eric Damer Interviewee: Shirley Cohn Location of Interviews: Burnaby Village Museum Interview Dates: April 14, 2023 and September 6, 2023 Total Number of Tracks: 2 Total Length of all Tracks: 67 min., 33 sec. Digital master recording (wav) recording of second interview (50 min., 36 sec.) was converted to mp3 for access on Heritage Burnaby
- Scope and Content
- File consists of two recordings of oral history interviews with Shirley Cohn conducted by Burnaby Village Museum Registrar and Researcher, Eric Damer. The first interview was conducted on April 14, 2023 and the second interview was conducted on September 6, 2023. Summary of interview conducted on September 6, 2023: 0:00 – 16:09 Shirley Cohn shares background information about her parents who immigrated to Detroit from Hungary in the 1930’s. Shirley recalls what it was like for her parents being Jewish during World War II and how many of their relations were killed in the Holocaust. Shirley talks about her Jewish Hungarian heritage, what it was like growing up in Detroit, the Jewish community in Detroit and the Jewish holidays and traditions that her family celebrated. Shirley recalls her high school and University education and experiences, starting her career in social work and how she met her future husband, Theodore “Ted” Cohn. 16:10 – 18:27 Shirley shares the story about her father in law, Dr. Daniel E. Cohn who was Harry Houdini’s doctor at the time of his death in Detroit on Oct. 31, 1926. Shirley explains that she donated some of Dr. Daniel E. Cohn’s original documents pertaining to this event to the New York Public Library. 18:28 – 26:04 Shirley describes her experiences living and working in London Ontario while her husband was a professor at University of Western Ontario and Shirley worked as a social worker in family services. Shirley recalls experiences of anti-Semitism while living in London. Shirley talks about moving to Burnaby in 1977 after her husband took a job as a professor at Simon Fraser University. Shirley describes her experiences living in Burnaby, raising a family and working as a social worker at Burnaby General Hospital. 26:05 – 26:18 Shirley talks about her interests outside of work, her family’s involvement in the Burquest Jewish Community Association and being a member of Temple Shalom. Shirley conveys information about other Jewish synagogues in Greater Vancouver, describes Reform Judaism at Temple Shalom and some Jewish cultural practices that her family has been involved with. 26:19 – 33:12 Shirley describes her family’s experiences living in the Garden Village nieghbourhood in Burnaby, her involvement sharing Jewish cultural traditions at her children’s school and recalls her children’s experiences attending school in Burnaby. 33:13 – 40:46 Shirley conveys the career paths that her children took and talks about what she likes about living in Burnaby including; the walking and hiking trails, the cultural and art performances and her involvement in local politics. Shirley talks about her and her husband’s involvement in the SFU retirees association and the SFURA walking and hiking group. Shirley reflects on her husband’s academic career, experiences teaching at SFU and the role of the Hillel Jewish Students Association at the Simon Fraser University. Shirley talks about the difficulties of discussing political views about the State of Israel. Shirley describes some traditional Jewish foods, the roles that they play and a local bakery that carries Jewish bake goods. 40:47 – 50:36 Shirley describes her current daily life in Burnaby; working one day a week as a social worker, gardening, her involvement at Temple Shalom and the Jewish Community Centre and how she travels in Burnaby. Shirley recalls the changes that she’s encountered in Burnaby and in her career over the years, shares a story about her husband losing his thesis and describes what Burnaby was like while she was raising her family. Shirley shares what she thinks about the areas of development in Burnaby and conveys the importance of having parks and affordable housing. In closing, Shirley reflects on what is like to be a Jewish person living in Burnaby.
- History
- Interviewee biography: Shirley Tanner was born in Detroit in 1947. Her parents were both Jewish. Her mother fled Hungary as a refugee in 1939, while her father emigrated from there in 1934. Shirley attended public schools in Detroit, and then studied social work at the University of Michigan. After marriage, Shirley and Ted Cohn moved to Ontario where Ted had a faculty appointment at the University of Western Ontario in political science. Six years later they moved to Burnaby for Ted’s teaching position in political science at Simon Fraser University. While living in Burnaby, Shirley took care of a growing family while also practicing social work, mainly at Burnaby Hospital. The family enjoyed Burnaby’s libraries and parks. Shirley helped out at her children’s schools, became a Block Watch captain, and the family joined Burquest Jewish Community Association. The Cohns later became members of Temple Sholom Synagogue in Vancouver, while remaining in Burnaby. Beginning in 2009, Ted started an informal hiking group for retired Simon Fraser University staff. This group has been open to others, so now has a wide variety of members. Shirley has also helped lead hikes in the region. Interviewer biography: Eric Damer is a Burnaby Village Museum Interpreter, Museum Registrar, Researcher and Blacksmith. Eric pounded hot steel for the first time in 1977 in junior high. Fifteen years later, he joined Burnaby Village Museum where he has smithed for three decades. He also provides historical research for museum exhibits and special projects. Outside the museum, Eric is a social historian with a special interest in educational history.
- Creator
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Subjects
- Education
- Recreational Activities - Hiking
- Organizations
- Organizations - Societies and Clubs
- Migration
- Persons - Jewish Canadians
- Religions - Judaism
- Social Issues - Racism
- Social Issues
- Wars - World War, 1939-1945
- Names
- Cohn, Dr. Daniel E.
- Cohn, Shirley
- Cohn, Theodore H. "Ted"
- Burquest
- Hillel Jewish Students Association
- Simon Fraser University
- SFURA walking and hiking group
- Simon Fraser University Retirees Association "SFURA"
- Temple Shalom
- Responsibility
- Damer, Eric
- Accession Code
- BV023.16.1
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- [1926-2023] (interview content), interviewed 2023
- Media Type
- Sound Recording
- Notes
- Title based on contents of file
- Summary, recording and transcript of second interview available on Heritage Burnaby
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Interview with Shirley Cohn, [1926-2023] (interview content), interviewed 2023
Interview with Shirley Cohn, [1926-2023] (interview content), interviewed 2023
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/media/hpo/_Data/_BVM_Sound_Recordings/Oral_Histories/2023_0016_0001_003.mp3Accent on the archives- Amy Leigh
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription4610
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- 2001
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 1 photographs : col. + 5 laser prints
- Scope and Content
- File consists of a master copy of an article created by Burnaby Royal Archivist Paulene Hall about Burnaby Girl Guide Amy Leigh for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area” - "Accent on the Archives" November 2001. In 1913 Amy Leigh moved to Burnaby from England and enquired about a Guiding c…
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 1 photographs : col. + 5 laser prints
- Scope and Content
- File consists of a master copy of an article created by Burnaby Royal Archivist Paulene Hall about Burnaby Girl Guide Amy Leigh for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area” - "Accent on the Archives" November 2001. In 1913 Amy Leigh moved to Burnaby from England and enquired about a Guiding company in her area and was disappointed to find none. In 1914 at the age of 17 years, Amy registered the 1st Burnaby Company and became the captain. By 1924, Burnaby had four Guide companies, four Brownie Packs and a Ranger Company. In this year, Amy was chosen as the official Guider representative from British Columbia to the World Camp at Foxlease, Hampshire, England. From 1926 to 1928 Amy was District Commissioner for Burnaby. In 1931, Amy organized and became the first District Commissioner for North Burnaby.
- Creator
- Hall, Paulene
- Accession Code
- BV016.49.94
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- 2001
- Media Type
- Textual Record
- Photograph
- Notes
- Title based on contents of file
Accent on the archives- Burnaby history and camp
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription4607
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- [between 2002 and 2004]
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 1 photograph : col. + laser copies
- Scope and Content
- File consists of master copies of articles which were created by Paulene Hall for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area" - "Accent on the Archives". Burnaby Guide archival materials were compiled from scrapbooks, photographs, newspapers, biographies and research to create articles for th…
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 1 photograph : col. + laser copies
- Scope and Content
- File consists of master copies of articles which were created by Paulene Hall for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area" - "Accent on the Archives". Burnaby Guide archival materials were compiled from scrapbooks, photographs, newspapers, biographies and research to create articles for the newsletter. Subject matter within these master copies is about the history of Burnaby Girl Guides and camp.
- Creator
- Hall, Paulene
- Names
- Girl Guides of Canada
- Accession Code
- BV016.49.91
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- [between 2002 and 2004]
- Media Type
- Textual Record
- Photograph
- Notes
- Title based on contents of file
Accent on the Archives - Girl Guide Trefoil Guild
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription4577
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- [between 2004 and 2009]
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 13 photographs
- Scope and Content
- File consists of master copies of articles which were created for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area" - "Accent on the Archives". Burnaby Guide archival materials were compiled from scrapbooks, photographs, newspapers, biographies and research to create articles for the newsletter. Sub…
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 13 photographs
- Scope and Content
- File consists of master copies of articles which were created for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area" - "Accent on the Archives". Burnaby Guide archival materials were compiled from scrapbooks, photographs, newspapers, biographies and research to create articles for the newsletter. Subject matter within this file includes the Burnaby Trefoil Guild as well as biographical information and photographic material related to activities of it's members: Kay Thomas, Rosemary Meech, Ivy Brunet McGeachie, Dorothy Sherritt, Pat Cole, Wendy Burton, Lorna Cloutier, Joanne Stregger.
- Creator
- Hall, Paulene
- Accession Code
- BV016.49.88
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- [between 2004 and 2009]
- Media Type
- Textual Record
- Photograph
- Notes
- Title based on contents of file
Accent on the archives- Paulene Hall
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription4609
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- 2009
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 3 photographs : col. + laser print
- Scope and Content
- File consists of a master copy of an article created by Lorna Cloutier and Wendy Burton about Burnaby Girl Guide Archivist Paulene Hall for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area” - "Accent on the Archives" October 2009. Paulene Hall was Burnaby Royal Area's 5th Area Commissioner from 1989 -…
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 3 photographs : col. + laser print
- Scope and Content
- File consists of a master copy of an article created by Lorna Cloutier and Wendy Burton about Burnaby Girl Guide Archivist Paulene Hall for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area” - "Accent on the Archives" October 2009. Paulene Hall was Burnaby Royal Area's 5th Area Commissioner from 1989 -1992 and began her Guiding life as a young member in Prince George earning her Gold Cord (at this time, she was the youngest recipient in Canada at 14 years of age). Paulene Hall began her adult life in Guiding in Burnaby in 1976 as a Brown Owl in the 18th Burnaby Pack in Hycrest District and continued her involvement in the Burnaby Royal Area holding positions on various committees and councils including being a Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner at District, Division and Area Levels. She also served on several Provincial and National committees, was president of the Burnaby North Trefoil Guild and received a Life Membership from Burnaby Royal Area in 1998.
- Creator
- Hall, Paulene
- Names
- Girl Guides of Canada
- Accession Code
- BV016.49.93
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- 2009
- Media Type
- Textual Record
- Photograph
- Notes
- Title based on contents of file
Accent on the Archives - Sea Ranger Kathy Hardy
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription4605
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- 2008
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records
- Scope and Content
- File consists of a master copy of an article created by Paulene Hall for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area" - "Accent on the Archives" November 2008. Burnaby Guide archival materials were compiled from scrapbooks, photographs, newspapers, biographies and research to create articles…
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records
- Scope and Content
- File consists of a master copy of an article created by Paulene Hall for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area" - "Accent on the Archives" November 2008. Burnaby Guide archival materials were compiled from scrapbooks, photographs, newspapers, biographies and research to create articles for the newsletter. Subject matter within this file is about South Burnaby resident Kathy Raadsheer (nee Hardy) and her experiences as a Ranger in Burnaby.
- Creator
- Hall, Paulene
- Accession Code
- BV016.49.89
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- 2008
- Media Type
- Textual Record
- Photograph
- Notes
- Title based on contents of file
Accent on the Archives- Vivian Henderson
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription4606
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- 2007
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 4 photographs : col. + laser copies : col.
- Scope and Content
- File consists of a master copy of an article created by Paulene Hall for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area" - "Accent on the Archives" May 2007. Burnaby Guide archival materials were compiled from scrapbooks, photographs, newspapers, biographies and research to create articles for …
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 1 folder of textual records + 4 photographs : col. + laser copies : col.
- Scope and Content
- File consists of a master copy of an article created by Paulene Hall for the newsletter "Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area" - "Accent on the Archives" May 2007. Burnaby Guide archival materials were compiled from scrapbooks, photographs, newspapers, biographies and research to create articles for the newsletter. Subject matter within this file is about Vivian (Vi) Henderson who was the second Burnaby Royal Area Commissioner from 1974 to 1979. File also includes a memorial card in remembrance of Vivian Ellen Susan Henderson.
- Creator
- Hall, Paulene
- Accession Code
- BV016.49.90
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- 2007
- Media Type
- Textual Record
- Photograph
- Notes
- Title based on contents of file
Guidelines Burnaby Royal Area
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription4611
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- 1986-2009
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 2 folders of textual records
- Scope and Content
- File consists of several printed copies of the newsletter "Guidelines / Burnaby Royal Area". The newsletter was edited by Paulene Hall and contained up to date news items such as stories, events, activities and crafts as well as historical articles regarding guiding in Burnaby.
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Girl Guides fonds
- Description Level
- File
- Physical Description
- 2 folders of textual records
- Scope and Content
- File consists of several printed copies of the newsletter "Guidelines / Burnaby Royal Area". The newsletter was edited by Paulene Hall and contained up to date news items such as stories, events, activities and crafts as well as historical articles regarding guiding in Burnaby.
- Creator
- Hall, Paulene
- Names
- Girl Guides of Canada
- Accession Code
- BV016.49.87
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- 1986-2009
- Media Type
- Textual Record
- Notes
- Title based on contents of file
Interview with Bill Gruenthal
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/link/museumdescription19636
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Date
- [1950-2023] (interview content), interviewed 31 Jul. 2023
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Village Museum fonds
- Description Level
- Item
- Physical Description
- 2 sound recordings (wav) (74 min., 37 sec.) + 1 sound recording (mp3) (74 min., 37 sec.)
- Scope and Content
- Item consists of a recording of an oral history interview with Bill Gruenthal conducted by Burnaby Village Museum Registrar, Eric Damer on July 31 2023. 00:00:00 – 00:27:01 Bill Gruenthal provides details on his family background, his early life experiences, how he got into the insurance business,…
- Repository
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Collection/Fonds
- Burnaby Village Museum fonds
- Series
- Museum Oral Histories series
- Subseries
- Many Voices Project Interviews subseries
- Description Level
- Item
- Physical Description
- 2 sound recordings (wav) (74 min., 37 sec.) + 1 sound recording (mp3) (74 min., 37 sec.)
- Material Details
- Interviewer: Eric Damer Interviewee: Bill Gruenthal Location of Interview: Burnaby Village Museum Interview Date: July 31, 2023 Total Number of tracks: 1 Total Length of all Tracks: 01:14:37 Digital master recordings (wav) were recorded onto two separate audio tracks, edited and merged together and converted to mp3 for access on Heritage Burnaby
- Scope and Content
- Item consists of a recording of an oral history interview with Bill Gruenthal conducted by Burnaby Village Museum Registrar, Eric Damer on July 31 2023. 00:00:00 – 00:27:01 Bill Gruenthal provides details on his family background, his early life experiences, how he got into the insurance business, his knowledge and interest in Judaism, places that he and his wife lived before moving to Burnaby, family life in Burnaby and his political involvement in running for the Burnaby school board. 00:27:02 – 00:42:50 Bill Gruenthal talks about the Burquest Jewish Community Association, it’s background and his involvement, experiences of discrimination in his career, a brief history of the Jewish people and some cultural traditions. 00:42:51 – 00:56:04 Bill Gruenthal mentions some of the charities that he supports including Burnaby Hospital, his volunteer work within the community and community organizations including the Nikkei Place Foundation and shares more details on his insurance career. 00:56:05 – 01:14:37 Bill Gruenthal shares information about his Burnaby neighbourhood and Jewish funeral customs and provides his impressions of new development at Brentwood, Burnaby Council and other development projects in Burnaby.
- History
- Interviewee biography: Bill Gruenthal was born in the British Mandate of Palestine, now Israel, in 1935 after his parents had fled Germany in advance of the then worsening political situation. Bill’s father died in 1942; some years later his mother remarried to an Irish-born senior civil servant in that government. He had a difficult and somewhat dangerous job. Soon after marriage, the family, including Bill’s older brother, Martin, immigrated to Canada in January 1947 on the strength of his step-father’s British Passport. They traveled via New York, where Bill’s uncle and his family resided and who put up the family. Later that month, the parents travelled by CP rail from Montreal to Vancouver, followed by Bill and his brother in March 1947 who travelled from New York to White Rock on an American railroad. While passing through the Fraser Valley Bill’s parents took an interest in Silverdale, a small hamlet west of Mission where the four eventually settled. Bill finished High School in Mission and soon joined the insurance industry. Bill connected with the Jewish Community in Vancouver where he met his soon-to-be wife. Upon marriage they were transferred to Calgary; after five years suffering its cold weather they were transferred back to Vancouver. They settled in Burnaby in 1966 as an affordable neighbourhood with easy access to his office downtown Vancouver. Outside work, Bill helped raise his family of three daughters who all graduated Burnaby High School (Alpha). They joined Temple Sholom in Vancouver, and he volunteered and still volunteers for a number of non-profits, including The Jewish Museum and Archives and Nikkei Place Foundation (Burnaby). He was an early long-term supporter and a past president of Burquest Jewish Community Association, mostly involving persons from Burnaby, New Westminster, and the Tri-Cities area (hence the name). He ran for political office in Burnaby in 1976 but was not elected. He delivers food in Burnaby for the Food Bank and is a donor to many worthy causes including Burnaby General Hospital. Interviewer biography: Eric Damer is a Burnaby Village Museum Interpreter, Museum Registrar, Researcher and Blacksmith. Eric pounded hot steel for the first time in 1977 in junior high. Fifteen years later, he joined Burnaby Village Museum where he has smithed for three decades. He also provides historical research for museum exhibits and special projects. Outside the museum, Eric is a social historian with a special interest in educational history.
- Creator
- Burnaby Village Museum
- Subjects
- Migration
- Persons - Jewish Canadians
- Transportation
- Transportation - Rail
- Religions - Judaism
- Cemeteries
- Organizations
- Elections
- Names
- Gruenthal, Bill
- Gruenthal, Noemi Yadlow
- O'Connor, Herta Ingrid Gruenthal
- O'Connor, John
- Burquest
- Jacobson, Max Alec
- Temple Shalom
- Brentwood Shopping Centre
- Brentwood Park School
- Alpha Secondary School
- Burnaby School Board
- Responsibility
- Damer, Eric
- Accession Code
- BV023.16.14
- Access Restriction
- No restrictions
- Reproduction Restriction
- No known restrictions
- Date
- [1950-2023] (interview content), interviewed 31 Jul. 2023
- Media Type
- Sound Recording
- Planning Study Area
- Brentwood Area
- Notes
- Title based on contents of item
- Transcription available
Documents
Audio Tracks
Interview with Bill Gruenthal, [1950-2023] (interview content), interviewed 31 Jul. 2023
Interview with Bill Gruenthal, [1950-2023] (interview content), interviewed 31 Jul. 2023
https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/media/hpo/_Data/_BVM_Sound_Recordings/Oral_Histories/2023_0016_0014_003.mp3